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Alexander Volgin's King Tiger book has a very comprehensive table about the ballistics of the KT gun Tests were conducted in Russia and showed surprising results, even the IS 3 had problems against it, though penetration was not achieved, the 88 could still bust the welds and compromise the hull The IS 2 was not adequate to go against the KT gun, so yeah contrary to the myths that KwK.43 was extremely dangerous to anyone that encountered it

It was the German practice to make their tanks frontally immune to fire from their own guns, this was a practice borrowed from Battleship design.

Soviet tank design was determined by Russia's rail guage

Peter, turn on ur superchats

Peter, I need your help, I've been spouting off that the damage done to Tiger 2 231 was done by a 25 pounder at 25 yards, and a Canadian crew. Please set the record strait if u can. It's ok if I'm wrong, I've been wrong before, and I will apologise .

Dont forget the big upgrades for existing tanks, like panther 88, panther f and jagdpanzer 38 with l/70.

Socialist: Capitalist don't know how to create because they've always been furnished by others. So they must be stealing inventions from the Proletatiat. Nazi: Jews don't know how to create things because they've always been furnished by others. They've stolen from us Aryans! Both look at eachother and repeat. Stop copying me!

Soviets had no need to respect licenses or patents, because USSR was a command economy, not really connected to the market economy other than its network of foreign Corporations it used to purchase foreign goods through, similar to how DPRK does it today which even managed to purchase an M1A1 Abrams from either Iraq or Saudi Arabia, its funny how everything goes in full circle really. Personally, in my view it makes no sense to patent and protect an idea or design unless your sole reason is to profit from it, to my knowledge there were no such concept in USSR other than copyright for art such as movies, stories, music etc. But its interesting how respectful the Soviets are to name the source of their 'inspirations' you will never see such in German records when they outright copied the T-34 as the VK.3002.D, or when they stole the V-2 Diesel engine design, it just goes to show the difference in pride.

Simply giving the Panther F/G reasonable upgrades to protection and mechanical dependency would have been enough to face the vast majority of United Nations tanks in 1946, with the exception of the IS-3, which was a heavy tank. The 75mm was comparable to the American 90mm and Russian 85mm, and the frontal armor on the Panthers could have reasonably been increased to 100-110mm (120-140mm on the turret) without serious issues for the suspension (this assumes that the suspension is also upgraded to account for the weight). The issue would be one of manpower, not design. A Panther "K" would lose to a Centurion without a good crew, but it would also lose to a Sherman. If Germany had the experienced crews to drive them, I have no doubt that a 1946 Panther model could reliably face Centurions or T-44s. Furthermore, the Germans really already had a tank that was essentially on par with 1946 UN tanks, the Tiger 2H. Of course, the issue there is fuel, reliability, and mobility.

There are no records of the KingTiger ever being frontaly penertrated by any Allied AT gun during WW2. And may I add The Soviets were a bunch of liers as are the Russians today and Not to be trusted!

The 85mm gun is a 100% Russian development ! Only some elements of the gun carriage were taken from the Rheinmetall design. Even at the time it was no secret to Germany that Russia wanted German knowledge; it was in fact part of the whole deal. That early Pz III sold to Russia really stunned the Russians. It was almost as fast on tracks as a BT was on wheels. 37mm PAK was also copied by the USA; it became the standard light AT gun in the US Army. MG42 stood model for the M60. The Russian 120mm mortar was directly copied by Germany. Germany also "invented" an adapter to fit MP40 mags to PPSh-41. Germans loved that MP. As you've stated correctly, AK-47 had nothing to do with StG44. IIRC everybody was working on an assault rifle almost simultaneously.

Lamentable that the British scrapped the first and only E-100 hull.

It seems German really do have nothing to offer by 1946 besides the Panther F. And that would not be able to fight against the allies counterparts

Glad to see you becoming more active on RUclips, WW2 era tanks are so damn interesting🔥

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Doesn't matter what the negatives say, EVERYONE here would rather be in a Tiger, than a T-34 or Sherman

Kill joy! But seriously, logical and well presented based on reality, excellent video, thank you. I especially like your model collection in the background.

Because the tiger is awesome

As a scale modeler I like to separate the Whatif tanks from the Fictionnal tanks I think a whatif should be an actual historical extrapolation, things like the Waffentragers or the Maus, while Fictionnal can englobe the other things, like the E100 variation, maus 2 etc

my new favorite tank channel. I recently read your T-34 book, was an excellent read, gonna pick up the IS-2 one at some point too!

So the only change for Germany is their failures to make a new light tank and develop Czech designs biting them in the ass.

Nice presentation, but your whole premise of "historically accurate" takes the "alternative history" out of its narrative of alternative history.

9:20 imagin spawning in and you just have no fuel 💀

Nice Video.

Very late to this party. Regarding the German 75 mm L24 gun on the Pz IV, I understand that its AP performance wouldn't be good enough to kill T-34s under most (nearly any?) circumstances. Was it worthwhile to hit a T-34 with a 75 mm high explosive round? Granted, it'd be unlikely to defeat the armor, but it'd surely to a lot of damage to everything outside the tank: tracks, running gear, vision apparatus, radiators & engine (if you landed it on the rear deck), etc. Do you have any information on this?

You would think that the current conflict in Ukraine would have fixed all of the wehr-aboo's misconseptions about tanks winning any contemporary war. Tanks don't win wars. Logistics, control of the seas and control of the skies do. Without one, the others are vulnerable, without two, the war is difficult, without all three the war is almost unwinnable. Germany lacked all three. People always point out Tiger vs Sherman or Panther vs T34. What about Tiger vs squadrons of B17s, P47s or Hurricanes? Or what about the fact that the USA produced more Victory/Liberty/LST ships then almost all of the Tigers, Tiger IIs, Jagdtigers, Jagdpanthers and Panthers combined? With 2,719 of these ships being completed by the USA. Or, look at it this way, Germany built around 492 Tiger IIs and 88 Jagdtigers during the war, America built 122 escort aircraft carriers during the war. How does anyone even compare this logistics disparity by thinking that 500 or even 1,000 new German tanks would have made a difference. When a country is pumping out more 11-15,000 ton ships then another country is building 45-70 ton tanks, the tanks don't matter all too much. Of course, that is only taking into account American production. Tanks are cool but they would have made no difference if, for example, Operation Overlord had been delayed by a year do to logistical issues. Also, if the war had somehow dragged on until 1946, well, lets just say that there would have been a lot more then two nukes used during the conflict. At that point, tanks really wouldn't matter.

0:20 now makes sense this whole time. I thought it was the same guy but no it’s just the same voice actor

Only 3x T-54-1 were built in 1946

5TD engine is also a derivative of german design

Given that the Ferdinand and King Tiger could get off 5 or 6 shots per 1 JS2 shot, they needed to be first shot accurate to kill them. If the JS was not protected by a large number of T34 or similar it needed to hide and stand off. The number available was what gave them superiority, and the willingness of their officers to sacrifice tank and crew.

Love the models on the shelves. The Mark IV is a real eye catcher.😊

Great video, thank you

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it was because of monty python...RUN AWAY..RUN AWAY

By Bird and Livingston, the D-25T firing BR-471B Shells could penetrate ~200ish mm of armor, on a perfectly flat plate using US/UK criterion, the Pzgr. 39 fired from the Kwk43 and Pak43 could penetrate ~240ish mm of armor on a perfectly flat plate, however if a plate was 60 degrees from the vertical [LoS thickness = plate thickness x Cos(60deg) ] the BR-471B was found to penetrate more armor IE the D-25 would have a better chance of defeating the Glacis of a postwar M47 Patton or T-54 because it could penetrate 100 mm of armor at 60 degrees from vertical further out than a KWK-43 could. By some german tests, the soviet 122 had trouble dealing with the glacis armor of the Panther, however this could be as a result of faulty shells. People like to cite the fact that the 122 has more muzzle energy because the shell is more massive but also forget that the 122 has to overcome almost twice as much contact area and hence twice as much armor (11700 cm^2 vs 6100 cm^2) to penetrate an armor plate

the IS-3 had major armor problems. when hit the welds would break. it is the reason that it's production was limited.

production does not matter. the Germans ran out of Soldiers. they had no man power left.

Without having watched the video - tanks use a lot of fuel, Germany has had virtually no fuel since the loss of the oil fields in Romania. Discussion ended

You can get lost in Panzer 46 like any other daydream or fantasy until reality bursts through and destroys it. German figures for production numbers at war's end were at best extremely optimistic through to total fantasy. Like the Salamander jet fighter that was accepted into service with orders of 1000 per month. This was further increased to 3000 per month at a time when they could not make even 200 in total. The German manufacturing industry somehow kept going until it completely fell over. How it staggered on is a full and interesting topic all by itself. WW2 was the last total war, and these can only be won at the factory, and actual tank design is less important. WW2 tank wise was won by the M4 and T-34 and lost by Panthers and Tigers. In total war, you need to easily replace losses and still have surplus to outnumber the enemy and overpower them. On the Eastern From achieved the outstanding loss rate of 12 to 1. However, to break even, this had to increase to 15 to 1 to break even. To start marching on Moscow, this had to 17+ to 1, as long as the Germans didn't run out of men first. The German factories could still take surplus parts and repurpose them into something new. Such as the Kleinpanzer and 8.8cm Waffentrager. Both were tank hunters, and both could not be mass-produced. So these new vehicles could keep hope alive they could not even prolong the war. On the Allied side, manufacturing was from strength to strength, so if required, they could put any of their paper tanks into mass production while on the German side, they could only dream of what could of been. A very well considered presentation you have put together here, and I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Schoonebeek and Matzen. Had those been known earlier Hortler would have had access to about 15000 barrels a day more.

10:43 "The IS-3 would have been pretty much invulnerable to the 88 L/71 even from the sides." This is not really true, and the reality of the thing, like the IS-2, was that it was a blind and terribly slow firing tank, which filled with smoke on the first shot, blinded itself further from muzzle blast dust for minutes on end, required the gun to depress to reload, and would have suffered similar disproportionate losses against the Tiger 2 that the IS-2 did against the Tiger I... The only question with German tanks is if you allow them continued molybdenum access past November 44, in which case Panther reliability and quality continues to slightly surpass all Russian tanks in distance covered between overhauls, including the T-34, minus the usual turn radius related stripped 3rd gear... The Tiger I was similar if not better, except for breaking on uphills, and the II would have soon caught up. Let's keep in mind the Hetzer did knock out IS-2s, so to think of Panthers as helpless vs IS-3s (a terrible tank by all accounts) is a bit of a stretch, to say nothing of Tiger IIs or Jagdpanthers... The biggest German problem, as always, was fighting with 2% of US fuel production.

Panzer 46, but it's the crew of the brand new 38D light tank watching a Tortoise advance towards them like Sir Lancelot's charge in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

20pounder centurion 😊

The thumbnail makes you look like you have a mullet! How odd, anyhoo great vid sir,all the best from sunny Troon 😊

I recall seeing a video a while back where they were discussing some of the 'wonder weapons' that Hitler was hoping to persue. One was a huge tank with a colossal gun. The only problem was the shell would have been too heavy to be man-handled inside the tank to shoot. Something like a metric equivalent of a 8inch naval shell.

I think that you missed out on a few things that would have fleshed out the video. First of all, detailing what the 1946 panther and king tiger would look like. Panther F is a known quantity (new turret with maybe a fire on the move capability and maybe a 4 shot autoloader) but also detailing any design updates for king tiger and the jagdpanzer 38Ds capabilities (would it use the l/70, for example). For the americans, yes they had the pershing, which is comperable to Panther, but you didnt really dive into other vehicles. The T26E5 jumbo pershing was ready for mass production in summer of 45. The T26E4 super pershing was similarly ready for mass production. And 1200 T29s were on the order books and only the end of the war stopped them from being built. And I think that you underrated the centurion a bit. Sure in 1945 it would basically be a british panther. But in 1946 the mark II would come along with better turret armor and a two plane gun stabilizer. Thats not bad.

Everyone fails to take into account the laughable state of German metallurgy by 1945. When your armor is all extremely brittle, thickness doesn't matter so much.

1946 is a fantasy world with no nukes where Germany actually does have the resources to wage war. 1946 by definition means Germany can build what ever it likes. They would need an effective response to facing Centurion, Pershing and IS-3. And an effective response to M4 and T-34, which might just be an econo-Panther. Fun times for all concerned! .

Great video, Peter! The whole "Panzer '46" topic is such an interesting rabbit hole. I'm also curious how well the Germans would have fared with things such as their APCBC shell with discarding sabots, as well as weapons such as the 8 and 10cm PAW guns being mounted on the 38d platform? We all know that, even with an abundance of "what ifs" favouring Germany they would have still lost, but it's interesting to think about all of the "wunderwaffes" in development from all of the participating nations facing on against each other in 1946.

For a second then I read your script to lead in the complete opposite direction, something like "big Gerry win war" and I almost clicked off. Glad I didn't, that was actually informative.